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Posted 2 months ago all of us are aware that our planet is getting polluted by the day and this century itself will witness drastic climate changes which will affect our lives and the lives of next generation in a drastic way. the pollar ice is melting but we cannot stop consuming the resources at the unsustainable rate in search of doomsday!! it is not even politically correct to do it because it is one nation against the other. so how can we stop this unsustainable consumption of the rsources of this planet so that it remains livable? |
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| Posted 2 months ago a beginning can be made at individual level in the following manner:- that i will reduce my consumption of electricity by say...units per day. that i will reduce my car mileage by say... kms per month. that i will reduce consumption of paper in my house/office by ...pages per month. that i will not use plastic carry bags . that i will educate one person every month on greenhouse gases. members may add more ideas please
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| Posted 2 months ago A very interesting topic for the discussion....I would like to share a small information on the same. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere The greenhouse effect was discovered by Joseph Fourier in 1824 and was first investigated quantitatively by Svante Arrhenius in 1896. It is the process by which absorption and emission of infrared radiation by atmospheric gases warm a planet's lower atmosphere and surface. Recent increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2). The monthly CO2 measurements display small seasonal oscillations in an overall yearly uptrend; each year's maximum is reached during the Northern Hemisphere's late spring, and declines during the Northern Hemisphere growing season as plants remove some CO2 from the atmosphere. Existence of the greenhouse effect as such is not disputed. Naturally occurring greenhouse gases have a mean warming effect of about 33 °C (59 °F), without which Earth would be uninhabitable. On Earth, the major greenhouse gases are water vapor, which causes about 36–70 percent of the greenhouse effect (not including clouds); carbon dioxide (CO2), which causes 9–26 percent; methane (CH4), which causes 4–9 percent; and ozone, which causes 3–7 percent. The issue is how the strength of the greenhouse effect changes when human activity increases the atmospheric concentrations of some greenhouse gases. Human activity since the industrial revolution has increased the concentration of various greenhouse gases, leading to increased radiative forcing from CO2, methane, troposphere ozone, CFCs and nitrous oxide. Molecule for molecule, methane is a more effective greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, but its concentration is much smaller so that its total radiative forcing is only about a fourth of that from carbon dioxide. Some other naturally occurring gases contribute small fractions of the greenhouse effect; one of these, nitrous oxide (N2O), is increasing in concentration owing to human activity such as agriculture. The atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4 have increased by 31% and 149% respectively since the beginning of the industrial revolution in the mid-1700s. These levels are considerably higher than at any time during the last 650,000 years, the period for which reliable data has been extracted from ice cores. From less direct geological evidence it is believed that CO2 values this high were last attained 20 million years ago. Fossil fuel burning has produced approximately three-quarters of the increase in CO2 from human activity over the past 20 years. Most of the rest is due to land-use change, in particular deforestation. The present atmospheric concentration of CO2 is about 385 parts per million (ppm) by volume. Future CO2 levels are expected to rise due to ongoing burning of fossil fuels and land-use change. The rate of rise will depend on uncertain economic, sociological, technological, and natural developments, but may be ultimately limited by the availability of fossil fuels. The IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios gives a wide range of future CO2 scenarios, ranging from 541 to 970 ppm by the year 2100.Fossil fuel reserves are sufficient to reach this level and continue emissions past 2100, if coal, tar sands or methane clathrates are extensively used.
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| Posted 2 months ago Effects of Global Warming The effects of forcing agents on the climate are complicated by various feedback processes. One of the most pronounced feedback effects relates to the evaporation of water. Warming by the addition of long-lived greenhouse gases such as CO2 will cause more water to evaporate into the atmosphere. Since water vapor is a greenhouse gas, the atmosphere warms further; this warming causes more water vapor to evaporate (a positive feedback), and so on until other processes stop the feedback loop. The result is a much larger greenhouse effect than that due to CO2 alone. Although this feedback process causes an increase in the absolute moisture content of the air, the relative humidity stays nearly constant or even decreases slightly because the air is warmer. This feedback effect can only be reversed slowly as CO2 has a long average atmospheric lifetime. Feedback effects due to clouds are an area of ongoing research. Seen from below, clouds emit infrared radiation back to the surface, and so exert a warming effect; seen from above, clouds reflect sunlight and emit infrared radiation to space, and so exert a cooling effect. Whether the net effect is warming or cooling depends on details such as the type and altitude of the cloud. These details are difficult to represent in climate models, in part because clouds are much smaller than the spacing between points on the computational grids of climate models. A subtler feedback process relates to changes in the lapse rate as the atmosphere warms. The atmosphere's temperature decreases with height in the troposphere. Since emission of infrared radiation varies with the fourth power of temperature, longwave radiation emitted from the upper atmosphere is less than that emitted from the lower atmosphere. Most of the radiation emitted from the upper atmosphere escapes to space, while most of the radiation emitted from the lower atmosphere is re-absorbed by the surface or the atmosphere. Thus, the strength of the greenhouse effect depends on the atmosphere's rate of temperature decrease with height: if the rate of temperature decrease is greater the greenhouse effect will be stronger, and if the rate of temperature decrease is smaller then the greenhouse effect will be weaker. Both theory and climate models indicate that warming will reduce the decrease of temperature with height, producing a negative lapse rate feedback that weakens the greenhouse effect. Measurements of the rate of temperature change with height are very sensitive to small errors in observations, making it difficult to establish whether the models agree with observations. Another important feedback process is ice-albedo feedback. When global temperatures increase, ice near the poles melts at an increasing rate. As the ice melts, land or open water takes its place. Both land and open water are on average less reflective than ice, and thus absorb more solar radiation. This causes more warming, which in turn causes more melting, and this cycle continues. Positive feedback due to release of CO2 and CH4 from thawing permafrost, such as the frozen peat bogs in Siberia, is an additional mechanism that could contribute to warming. Similarly a massive release of CH4 from methane clathrates in the ocean could cause rapid warming, according to the clathrate gun hypothesis. The ocean's ability to sequester carbon is expected to decline as it warms. This is because the resulting low nutrient levels of the mesopelagic zone (about 200 to 1000 m depth) limits the growth of diatoms in favor of smaller phytoplankton that are poorer biological pumps of carbon.
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| Posted 2 months ago thank you malini for the scientific insight on the subject. indeed correct to the bone. but what bothers a layman like me is that polar ice will submerge all the beautiful beaches and coastal areas all across the globe. the rise in temperature beyond a limit will extinguish a variety of flora and fauna. how will children now taking birth will live in such a climate? |
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| Posted 2 months ago That's the difficult question, isn't it? Many people are becoming more and more educated on what is happening to the planet, but aside from the little things that people have done to make changes in their individual lifestyles, the question still remains. How do you stop it? So, what are the suggestions? What kind of world will our children have if it were to continue unabated? Another thought-provoking topic, jagdev50. |
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| Posted 2 months ago there are ways to avoid this tragedy. first, at individual level , then inter- govts level and may be United Nations or WTO or any such body at international level to monitor. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago
All of you may find this an interesting commentary on the enviornment, and how we have abused the land, water and air. This letter was wrote by Chief Seattle in 1867. It is perhaps the most profound perspective from the native peoples of this land... I was very moved by this and hope you to are moved by the wisdom of Cheif Seattle.
Mark W. Lipe
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| Posted about 1 month ago Thanks for sharing this. There are so many moving words that were spoken by the chiefs of these people, so many of whom have been wiped from the earth, and the wisdom that they spoke really has a meaning for today. They respected and took care of the land. What's happened to it since makes his words prophetic. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago First off, let me say that I am not making light of our current situation. However, we have a problem as far as the measurement of global temperature changes and some of the current conclusions may be premature. The problem is that the number of stations around the globe that monitor the temperature are dwindling and estimation of temperatures is increasingly taking the place of direct measurement. This means that instead of real data there is either no data or there is estimated temperature data. Additionally, those stations that remain are inevitably near cities or dense concentrations of people in which we would expect a rise of temperature as the years go on. This is a serious confounding variable since we have lost data on areas with lower densities of people and cannot tell if those areas have also seen an increase in temperature. My information comes from this helpful blog- climateaudit.org Specifically this post- http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2703 These quotes sum up the article fairly well- "As the table shows, while GISS says 2007 was the hottest year on record, it was also the second highest year with estimated and/or unavailable temperature data. To compound the problem, the last thirty years have seen a significant station record die-off." and "...while GISS says 2007 was the hottest year on record and GHCN indicates it had the second highest level of temperature estimation, GHCN also indicates that the number of data points for 2007 were the fewest since before 1900." (emphasis added) Once again, I am not advocating the norm and saying change is not needed. In fact, the loss of stations may actually be symptomatic of a disregard for these issues. However, things might (just might) not be as bad as they have been portrayed in the popular culture. *Now where did I put my flame-retardant vest?* |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Popular culture can take something that sounds good, a sound byte if you will, and turn it into a cause of sometimes questionable value. However, pollution isn't a popular culture issue. When some people buy shopping bags that say "go green", it's a fashion statement. But for others, it's a recognition that plastic bags are killing the dolphins. Plastic diapers do not decompose properly. Styrofoam takes a century to break down. Etc, etc. Some of us look at the rubbish on the beaches, in the ditches by the sides of the roads or in the streets and take no notice. Others see how disrespectful people have become of the land around them. "My world is not your rubbish bin" is a slogan for some, but for others, it's a real statement of the world that they see around them. The fact that temperature stations are close to big cities and are measuring a problem is indicative of the very thing that we're talking about. Power stations have now been mandated to clean up their emissions, not because of popular culture, but because the ozone and the atmosphere are suffering. We can only reasonably expect a rise in temperatures if we acknowledge the cause of those rises. The natives in cultures around the globe lived in their land for thousands of years without any of these problems. The problems that we're having didn't come to be until some time after the industrial age, and one simply can not dismiss that fact. In addition, many of the diseases that fish are suffering didn't exist 100 years ago, and records were being accurately kept. The current state of alarm is said by some to be scaremongering, and for some, it is. There have been films of the earth being in extreme weather conditions that anyone who knows anything about weather studies and oceanography would find laughable. But the root cause of the concern is no laughing matter. I can't look at the pollution around me and think that it isn't really that bad. Birds that are choking to death on rubbish that they thought was food floating on the ocean are a bad sign. When the natives lost their land, it wasn't in this condition, and there was no temperature problem. It is in a bad way now, and the temperature is really only one symptom of the larger problem. Don't worry about the flame retardent vest. This is an emotive issue for some, but it will not become one here. The discussion is going to be conducted respectfully, even when disagreeing, and you've already acknowledged that you know many will disagree with you here. You presented your side of the story respectfully, and you can expect answers to be given in the same way. It was funny, though....you should have made sure you had your vest before you posted! |
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| Posted about 1 month ago I definitely agree that pollution is an issue. There is this show on the Discovery Channel called Survivor Man and he made a comment during one show that is startling. He gets dumped in remote (and usually mildly hostile) locations where he has to survive for a week by himself. In spite of the fact that he is nowhere near civilization, he constantly finds trash or other materials (which he subsequently puts to use). However, it paints a picture of how widespread we have polluted the earth. Responsibility towards the environment is definitely a mandate for my generation. Thank you for understanding where I was coming from and that I was only addressing one area of the issue. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago No worries. This is a very complex issue. Pollution has been so widespread, that the highest mountain streams are being found to have the elements of acid rain in them and are no longer pure. There are very few untouched parts of the planet at this time. People are beginning to wake up to a degree. The wonderful thing is that the planet does have the ability to heal itself if given the chance. Have you ever seen that show on Discovery about volcanoes and fires, and how the earth regenerates itself afterwards? Awesome. So if we do our part, nature will do the rest. Having said that, you can take anything to the point of obsession. Like they say, too much of a good thing becomes a bad thing. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago pollution has various forms. some are visible around us and some can be noticed as change over a period of time. temperature change is one such thing. i can share one change over the last 40 years in my area. when i was a small child, a dead animal carcass would be scavenged by the vultures in a matter of hours . today, there are no vultures in my area and the animal carcass have to be burnt or buried . i asked someone as to what happened to the vultures? the answer was simple- ingestion of polluted animal flesh has killed all of them. the speed with which various types of flora and fauna are getting extinct today is unprecedented and pollution is the cause. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago jagdev50 says ...
This is an interesting, but inaccurate, observation. To begin with, the polar ice caps are in fact, floating chunks of ice. This means that the displacement of water is already taken into account for the mass of ice that exists. As the ice melts, no coastline will be lost, no low lying ground will be inundated with sea water, nor will anyone loose their property or life. Here is a simple experiment that illustrates the actual case just presented, i.e. no change in the water level.
The result will be that there is no spillage of the water. Why? Because the displacement of the water by ice within the glass is taken into account as to the actual volume of ice/water. If the concern is that the ice caps are melting, it should be of interest to note that the ice at the south pole has been increasing at the same rate/percentage as the decrease at the north pole. It is interesting that people are concerned about 'global warming' and the role that humans have played in this respect but have done little research into all the data that currently exists, both pro and con. Well over 800 renowned scientist throughout the world have document quite clearly why they disagree with the human element to the discussion. What I find rather perplexing is why people will read only one side of the issue and simply ignore the opposing views. As long as there are overwhelming views in either direction, I think we all should look at the complete data set(s) and then decide where we choose to stand. I, for one, am not convinced that there is truly a 'global warming' issue. Why? Because I have seen reports that while it may be warmer then usual in one part of the world, there are also reports that other areas are experiencing unusual cold periods. I will not be little anyone for their views, even though they may be contrary to my own. But, by the same token, I would hope that no one would be offended because my views differ from theirs. This is a very interesting topic and I'll continue to poke in to see how things are going. Should the opportunity present itself, I will be more than happy to supply data to support my position. One last thought, I will only deal with facts. Science does not work based on 'consensus' or supposition.
Edward Bishop Sr. Where am I going and why am I in this basket? |
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| Posted about 1 month ago We're all dealing with the facts here, and the data that we've found through research. It is understood here that different people will have different views, but no one here is taking their view without looking at the facts as they've been able to research and understand them. No one has read only one side of the story, ignoring the other. However, there will always be differing opinions, even amongst the scientists, since it is a documented and historical fact that some scientists aren't above making the facts fit their desired end result, even in groups. All of us here are dealing with not only facts, but how we feel about those facts and how we would like to see the problem resolved. These are the things that we will be freely expressing here. You've brought out an interesting point about the melting ice caps not decreasing the coastline. It's an experiment that we can all carry out at home and observe the results of. However, we can not say that people have not researched before expressing an opinion when they've documented the research that they've done in forming that opinion. No one is going to be offended by a differing view. However, they may be offended by your implication that they didn't do any research before saying anything because their research differs from yours. This, in effect, is belittling, though you didn't intend it that way. We have all done our research and have come to our conclusions accordingly. Since there are scientific results to support both views, then both views are to be equally respected, as well as each person's supporting research. In that way, we'll keep things from getting heated here. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago sarah, i could not agree less with you. you see , the climatic temperature is as it is rising and the temperature also rising in this discussion will be too much to bear for delicate species- they will get scorched. good thing is that you are keeping the temperature in this discussion under control. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Oh, yes, the temperature in our global environment is, indeed, rising, and to an alarming degree. There are so many schools of thought on it, but I heard one a couple of months ago that was really interesting. Most of us are familiar with the story of the flood from the Bible, involving Noah. Well, the earth had a layer of cloud cover before the flood that protected the earth, and the extreme flood took away the cloud cover. Basically, global warming has been growing ever since. With the introduction of the hotter gases emitted by the industrial age, we now have such problems as the holes in the ozone layer and the extremes of weather that were once not present. Everyone recognises that the weather is changing over the decades. But it's been going on alot longer than alot of people think. So, on the one hand, the people who say that global warming has been going on for millenia have a point. On the other, our current lifestyles certainly aren't helping matters. I think all of us will have valid opinions to bring into it. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Love the post about Chief Seattle. The problem is this country and other countries for that matter, is it does not base any of our values on how we should treat our planet. The American Indians had a culture that every decision was based on how it affected the earth. I believe the Cherokee Indians had a value that what you do today should not effect the next seven generations. Amazing that we called them barbarians. The Celtic religions also worshipped the earth and they too were considered barbarians. Strange pattern there to say the least. Peoples values are mainly religious base and yet where in the teachings of current religions do they respect the planet that the so called gods gave us. Is it listed in the 10 commandments? We teach that god created the planet but we do not teach that we should respect what he gave us. Look at our current politic parties, where does save the planet come in line to their values. You need to look in the fine print to find anything. Every thing on this earth has a purpose to help this planet survive. Anything it needs, it creates (or a god creates depending on your believe). If something is not working what happens. It evolves or dies, so that it helps maintains the circle of live for the planet. The problem is mankind has not realized what is our purpose. We are the only entity on the planet that was given enough intelligence to figure out what the purpose of each entity is on the planet. Some things we have not figured out why it is here, yet. Like what is the purpose of a cat? LOL. The earth did not come with instructions, but we as humans have the intelligence to figure it out. We know what the plant needs to survive for future generations and yet we ignore it for some economic reason. Remember money and the cost of things is not something that nature (or God) created. Until mankind figures out that our purpose on earth is to help the planet survive and we become part of the solution, not the problem, we will continue down our road to destruction. How sad are we?
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| Posted about 1 month ago A very insightful post, this. Our purpose is to protect and care for the planet that we were given to live on, but we use it and abuse it. How sad indeed! |
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| Posted about 1 month ago SRtoady I find your insights incredible - an right on target, with respect to how western religion has put man dominate to the earth and not part of its complex ecosystem. In eastern religions (the Levant) and in the beliefs of the native peoples of North America, man was an integral part of earth, and what man did to the mother earth he did to his children. Our "advanced and technologically dependant" society has abandoned the fundamental ideas and principles of primitive cultures who respected the sacredness of mother earth. I don’t have the “technical” knowledge to know if C02 or other gasses are responsible for what we are now experiencing. But I do know this, we have lost respect for the delicate balance of nature.
Mark W. Lipe
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| Posted about 1 month ago mark, i agree with you that the modern person has lost perspective about use/abuse of mother earth. you watch a lion hunt. it chases the herd and the weakest is killed as prey. the pride of lions kills only one prey at a time and next kill takes place only when they are hungery again. but man has to hoard for seven generations which i think is the cause of abuse. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago "In every deliberation we must consider the impact on the seventh generation... even if it requires having skin as thick as the bark of a pine." - Great Law of the Iroquois
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| Posted about 1 month ago "In every deliberation we must consider the impact on the seventh generation... even if it requires having skin as thick as the bark of a pine." - Great Law of the Iroquois
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| Posted about 1 month ago srtoady says ...
i fully am with the aforesaid law. but the reality of the world is different. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Great quote srtoady... I think it is worthwhile to note that the Indians of the great plains considered all animals sacred, and in many animals (the eagle, hawk, bear and wolf) they saw the embodiement of the spirits of their ancestors. To the indigenous people of this land, the buffalo was considered sacred because it supplied them with food and clothing. When a buffalo was killed, the Native Americans celebrated the life of the buffalo and thanked the great spirits for this gift.
Imagine the horror of watching the white man slaughter this animal by the thousands, just for sport! They recklessly plundered the land for its resources with a total disregard for the environment. The Native Americans saw what was happening. If you don’t respect the earth and its animals, you don’t respect yourself. The animosity between the invading Europeans and the American Indians was inevitable because one respected the land, the other saw it as an unlimited resource for profit.
Sadly, I do not beleive we have learned anything from our history.
Mark W. Lipe
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| Posted about 1 month ago Hear, hear. I remember years and years ago, when I was very young, that there used to be a public service message on the telly which showed a Native American chief standing by a river that was polluted with rubbish, with a tear in his eye because of the horrible things that were being done by people who had no respect for the land that his people had cared for for the many centuries that they had lived there. It was supposed to move people to care, but it apparently didn't. Even here, we're beginning to see people just chucking their rubbish out of the car window onto the side of the road. Everything from drink cans to cigarette butts pollute our streets and waterways. Until people start to care, there is no turning back. I think the best thing that I saw in town yesterday was an older man stooping down to pick up someone's burger wrapper off of the pavement and putting it into the rubbish bin that was right there beside it all. We all have to care, or no one will. |
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| Posted about 1 month ago Kind of hard for this country to change when the person running for the second highest office in the country thinks that GOD has blessed this country with all the oil and natural gas we need. I think if I was a GOD, the last thing I would do is bless my subjects for ruining what I created. Would you love to be a fly on the wall when this person gets to meet St. Peter. I am wondering if he will give her the thumbs up or the thumbs down. |
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| Posted 27 days ago i believe that this issue is not as to how one person is, it is about all of us and so many more generations to come. i was really touched to read what sarah wrote about an old man picking up garbage to clean the foot path but do we really have to grow old enogh to emulate that old man?? |

